Who is Alexander the Great ??

by Asad Rizvi Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:22 am

Salam,
I've read an article in an Urdu textbook of class 8th.. It's about Alexander the great and the most important thing it tells is that Hazrat Zulqarnain(with whom Quran relates the story of Yajuj Majuj) is himself Alexander the great(Sikandar e Azam)..
The author has proved it through different evidences and I was really wondered to know that... I would be glad if you people too research on that and please tell me also if anyone of u get any informative material regarding this topic..

Wassalam..

by Syeda Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:40 am

http://history.boisestate.edu/WESTCIV/alexander/15.shtml
Walaikumassalam
this is the link that i found rite now on net read it....
But please can tell the ayat no. which talks about it?

by Syeda Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:09 am

Very interesting topic by the way.....Never knew that Alexander had something to do with religion....
Please let us know if u find something more about this topic,because i dont have any other book regarding him except that of Peter Moss!Us mei bhi sirf aik chapter hai Alexander per... Smile

by Fida wal muqawamah Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:36 pm

Walaykum salam Asad,
well dear it needs a lot of research... but can only give u comforting answer after searching... u urself dont abolish search and if anything strikes u do let us know... ok!!! Smile

by Syeda Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:13 am

Ok well it is in Surah al-kahaf ayat 83 and onwards...But it only talks about Zulqarnain and yajoj majoj....I looked up in Sheikh Sadokh's book "Alal Sharayi". it is reported from Hazrat Ali(a.s) that someone inquired him of Hazrat Zulqarnain and his thorns he replied that he was neither a prophet nor "mulk" .he was a pious man.Allah loved him and he loved Allah....(..)....And that his thorns were neither of gold nor silver!!!
But on wikipedia it is written that this is a controversial topic as according to Quran he was monotheist and that Alexander was a polytheist....
Moreover there are possibilities that Zulqarnain is Cyrus the great...
To which Maududi, Dr.Abdul kalam Azad, Allama tabatabai and Naser Makarem Shirazi have shown acceptance according to Wikipedia.

by Syeda Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:18 am

Fida wal muqawamah wrote:Walaykum salam Asad,
well dear it needs a lot of research... but can only give u comforting answer after searching... u urself dont abolish search and if anything strikes u do let us know... ok!!!

True! Mushkil hai ke kisi ko ye baat aik dam proof ke sath pta ho ke Who was Zulqarnain? .....

by Asad Rizvi Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:22 am

Salam,
Dear Syeda, I checked the links you pasted and was even more puzzled with the involvement of Cyrus the great in this controversy:) .. But as this theory is approved by reputed Muslim Shia scholars like Allama Tabatabaii and Naser Makaram Shirazi,it can't be rejected.. I m still searching for something that solves this puzzle or atleast make this thoery more understandable..
I think I should paste the entire article I read abt this theory for u people..it also contains some ayaat from surah e Kahaf ..I'll soon paste in Insha Allah ..

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of the Sun from the place of it's setting, the Descent of Isa, Ya'juj Ma'juj, Three
Landslides, one in the East , one in the West and one in the Arabian Peninsula
after that a Fire would spread from Yemen and drive the people to their place
of gathering.' (Muslim)

Ya'juj Ma'juj (Gog and Magog)

The emergence of the mighty tribes of Ya'juj and Ma'juj is
also a major sign of Qiyamah.
Allah says in the Qur'an, "When Ya'juj and Ma'juj are let loose (from
their Barrier) and they swiftly swarm from every mound" (Surah
Al-Anbiya)

Allah says in the Qur'an, " (Zulqarnain) said, 'This
is a mercy from my Lord, but when the promise of my Lord comes, He shall level
it down (the barrier) to the ground. And the promise of my Lord is ever
true." (Surah Al-Kahf)

Zainab-b-Zahash says: "Once the Prophet S.A.W.
awoke from such a sleep that his face was red and these words were on his
tongue, "There is none worthy of worship but Allah. Destruction is upon
the Arabs on account of that evil which has come close to them. Today a hole as
big as this has opened in the wall of Yajuj and Ma'juj. (The
Prophet S.A.W. indicated the size of the hole with his finger and
thumb)" (Bukhari/Muslim)

In the lengthy Hadith of Nawwas-b-Saman it has been
mentioned, "And Allah will send Yajuj and Ma'juj and they will come from
every lofty place." (Muslim)

Ya'juj Ma'juj and Zulqarnain

Many thousands of years ago the barbarous tribes of Yajuj
and Ma'juj were imprisoned behind an iron wall built by Zulqarnayn. Referred to
in the Qur'an in Surah Al-Kahf. Zulqarnayn was a Muslim Arab (fathul bari) who lived at the
time of the Prophet Ibraheem A.S. and not Alexander the Great as it is commonly
known. From amongst one of the four that ruled the entire world (the other
three being Prophet Sulayman A.S., Nimrod & Buktnasr) he was a pious and
just king, provide with all forms of strength through which he was able to
carry his conquests and missions.

Once he carried a mission in three directions, the
far west, far east, and then in a northerly direction. Travelling first in the
westerly direction, he conquered the lands he passed through establishing the
laws of Allah therein until he reached the setting of the sun. There he met
people that didn't believe in Allah. Given a choice of punishing them for
their kufr or being lenient by inviting them first to Islam; he chose the latter
and addressed them, ''Those evil-doers who do injustice to themselves by
rejecting Allah will be punished by death in this world and the hereafter, the
fire of hell is their abode. As for those who accept the invitation and
believe in Allah they will be treated leniently and in the hereafter Jannah is
their place of rest.''

After the journey towards the west he made
preparation for the journey towards the east. Conquering the lands he passed
through, establishing he laws of Allah therein. He continued travelling in the
easterly direction until he reached the rising of the sun. In this area of the
east he saw a nation receiving the sunshine without any obstruction and they
were dealt with like the previous people in the west.

After the journey to the east he started his northern
Journey, he kept on travelling until he reached the midst of two mountains, it
was here he came across a tribe who complained to him about the tribes of
Ya'juj and Ma'juj. Ya'juj and Ma'juj inhabited the land behind the mountains, plundered
them, committed bloodshed, and then ran away. Observing Zulqarnain's power they
asked to set a barrier in return for a wage for their protection from the
disaster and bloodshed, which they often bore at the hands of Ya'juj Ma'juj.
Refusing to accept any wealth he built an iron wall with their help which
Ya'juj Ma'juj could not cross or pierce. (Qurtubi/ Ibne-Kathir)

The wall of Zulqarnain

Many different opinions have been expressed as to the
location of the iron wall of Zulqarnain. Having read many books, the best on
the subject I came across was Sheikh Hifzur-Rahman's "Stories of the
Qur'an" and thus have chosen to share a brief summary of what he has
written.

He writes "The Yajuj Ma'juj caused destruction and
blood- shed in a vast area, and because of their oppression many barriers and
walls were erected in different times and places by different kings. Four being
the most famous:
1) The Great Wall of China which was built by
the Chinese King Fagfor 3460 years after Prophet Adam A.S. was put on the
Earth.
2) The wall in central Asia near Bukhara and Tirmidh in a
place called Derbent.
3) The wall in Dagistan Russia
also known as Derbent near the Caspian sea.
4) The wall which is in the westerly direction to the third in the region of
the Caucasus.
Because these walls were built for one purpose and are all situated in the
North, it has always been very difficult to determine exactly the wall built by
Zulqarnain."

He further writes, "The biggest out of the four is the
great wall of China and nobody is of the opinion that this is the wall built by
Zulqarnain as it is in the easterly direction while the Qur'an indicates the
wall of Zulqarnain is in the Northerly direction."

Thus leaving walls 2, 3, and 4.

He writes, "Historians like Masoodi, Istakhari and
Hamawi are of the opinion that the wall of Zulqamain is wall number 3 or 4.
Those that have said it is wall number two have confused the issue due to the
location of Derbent which is near Bukhara
and also in Degistan.''
He finally writes, ''Out of two, the historians are of the opinion that
it is wall 3 or 4, the master of hadith Allama Anwar Shah Kashmiri in his book
Aqeeda-tul-Islam holds the opinion that the wall of Zulqarnain is wall number
4, the one in the region of Caucasus.' (Stories of the Qu'ran)

After this short summary I find myself inclined
to Allama Aloosi's opinion I conclude with his words, ''We do not know the
location of this wall and it is very probable that great seas and mountains
stand between us and the wall, and between Ya'juj Ma'juj and the rest of the
world.''

by Fida wal muqawamah Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:05 pm

Salam,
Janab e Zulqarnain was "KOORSH" (GREEK=CYRUS).
On the land of "QAFQAZ" between caspian sea and Black sea... There is a mountainous range in between that range is a passage..there he build that wall which is made from copper and iron...
The wall protected the people fromthe invasion of Yajuj and Majoj...
He was a momin, monotheist and merciful man. HE appreciated justice and was just in his affairs. for these reasons God had granted him with his blessings. he made pietyful people friends and was enemy to those who were tyrannists. he belived in one god(Allah) and on the day of judgement.

SOURCE: "QASAS UL QURAN" BY AYATOLLAH NASIR MAKARIM SHIRAZI TRANSLATED BY HOJAATULISLAM SYED SAFDAR HUSSAIN NAJAFI...

by Fida wal muqawamah Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:20 pm

Hazrat zulqarnain was not a Prophet nor a Messenger but was a God loving and AKHIRAT fearing man... he was not at all Alexander instead he was Cyrus.... Dear one i would recommend u that u should buy this book and read the details about zulqarnain... or else if u want i would send the details to the forum in urdu... if its alright to u!!???

by Asad Rizvi Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:35 am

Salam,

thanks for sharing all this info .. I would be grateful to u if u frther post the details in urdu on the forum.

it resulted in that Cyrus was actually Hazrat Zulqarnain but there is still a confusing question i have.. i think i should discuss it under another topic

it's about Aab-e-Hayaat (Water of life) and it too involves Zulqarnain or Alexander in it.

by Fida wal muqawamah Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:16 pm

[size=24] ZULQARNAIN:-

Zulqarnain ki ajeeb kahani:-
Chand qurayshion ne Rasul (saw) ko azmana chaha, is maqsad k liye unhon ne madine k yahodion k mashware se teen masle paish kiye. Aik Ashab e kahf k bare mei tha, dosra Rooh ka tha aur teesra zulqarnain k bare mei. Zulqarnain ki dastan aisi hai k jis per tawil arse se falsafa aur muhaqiqin ghoor o khooz karte chale aiye hain aur zulqarnain ki marifat k liye unhon ne bohat koshish ki hai.[/size]

Is silsile mei pehle hum zulqarnain se marboot jo quran mei bayaan howa hai wo bayaan karte hain. Kionke tareekhi tahqiq se qata nazar zulqarnain ki zaat khud se aik bohat hi tarbiyati dars ki hamil hai aur is k bohat se qabil e ghoor pehlo hain. Is k baad zulqarnain ki shaksiat ko janne k liye hum ayat, riwayat aur muraykheen k aqwal ka jayza lein ge.[/siz

Dosre lafzoon mei pehle hum is shaksiyat k bare mei guftgu kare ge aur pehle muzoon wahi hai jo Quran ki nazar mei aham hai. Is silsile mei quran kehta hai: “tujh se zulqarnain k bare mei sawal karte hai: kehdo anqareeb is ki sarguzesht ka kuch hisa tum se bayan karo ga.”surae kahf ayat 83.[/size]

Bahr haal yahan se maloom hota hai k log pehle b zulqarnain k baray mei baat kiya karte the. Albatta is silsile mei un mei ikhtilaf aur ubham paya jata tha. Isi liye unh one payghambar(saw) se zaroori wazhatein chaheen.[/size]

Is k baad farmaya gaya: “hum ne use zameen per tamkunat ata ki(qudrat, sabat e qowat aur hakoomat bakhshi). Aur har tarah k wasail aur asbab is k ikhtiar mei diye. Is ne b in se istifada kiya. Yahan tak k wo suraj k maqam e ghurob tak pohanch gaya. Wahan us ne mahsoos kiya k asuroj tareek aur kichar alod chasmay ya darya mei dooba jata hai.”(sura e kahf ayat 84)

Wahan is ne aik qoum ko dekha(k jis mei ache buray har tarah k log the) to hum ne zulqarnain se kaha: k tum unhain saza dena chaho ge ya achi jaza.”(sura e kahf ayat 86). [baaz mufasireen ne lafz”QOLNA” (HUM NE ZALQARNAIN SE KAHA) se un ki nabowat per dalil qarar diya hai liken ye ahtimal b hai k is jumle se qalbi ilham muraad ho k jo ghair anbia mei b hota hai likan is baat ka inkar nahi kiya jasakta k tafseer ziada tar nabowat ko zahir karti hai.]

Zulqarnain ne kaha: “wo log k jinhon ne zulm kiye hain, unhain to hum saza dain ge. Aur wo apne parwadigar ki taraf loot jain ge aur allah unhain shaded azab karega.”(sura e kahf ayat 87)

Ye zalim o sitamgar dunya ka b azab chakhain ge aur akhirat kab.

“aur rha wo shaks k jo baiman hai aur amle suleh karta hai usay achi jaza mile gi. Aur use hum asan kaam sunpain ge.”(sura e kahf ayat 8

Is se baat b mohabbat se kare ge aur is k kandhe per sakht zimedarian b nahi rakhain ge aur is se ziada khiraj b wusul nahi karain ge.

Zulqarnain k is bayan se goya ye murad thi k tuheed per iman aur zulm o shirk aur burai k khilaf jid o jehad k baray mei meri dawat per log do girohoon mei taqseem ho jayen ge. Aik giroh to un logo ka hoga jo is ilahi tamiri program ko mutmain ho kar tasleem kar lein ge unhain achi jaza mile gi aur wo aram o sukon se zindagi guzarain ge jabke dosra giroh un logo ka hoga jo is dawat se dushmani per utar ayein ge aur shirk o zulm aur burai k raste per hi qaim rahain ge inhe saza di jayi gi.

Zulqarnain ne apna maghrib ka safr tamam kiya aur mashriq ki tarf janay ka azam kiya aur jaisa k quran kehta hai: “jo wasail us k ikhtiar mei the us ne in se phir istifada kiya. Aur apna safr isi tarah rakha yahan tak k soraj k markaz e tulo tak ja pohancha. Wahn us n dekha soraj aise logo per tulo kar rahahai k jin k paas sooraj ki kirnoo k ilawa tan dhanpnay k ilawa ki koi cheez nahi hai.”(sra e kahf ayat 89-90)

Ye log bohat hi past darje ki zindagi guzarte the yahan tak k barhaina rahte the ya bohat hi kaam miqdar libaas pehante the k jis se badan sooraj se nahi chupta tha. [ Baaz mufasireen ne is ahtimal ko b baeid qarar diya hai k in logo k paas rahne ko koi ghar b na the k wo sooraj ki tapish se bach sakte. Is silsile mei aik aur ahtimal b zikr kiya gaya hai aur wo ye k wo log aise bayaban mei rahte the k jis mei koi pahar, darakht, panahgah aur koi aisi cheez na thi k wo sooraj ki tapish se bach sakte goya is bayaban mei un k liye koi saya na tha.]

Ji han! zulqarnain ka mamila aisa hi hai aur hum khob jante hain k us k ikhtiar(pne ahdaf k husol k liye) kiya wasail the.(sura e kahf 91)

Baaz mufasireen ne yahan ye ahtimal zikr kiya hai k ye jumla zulqarnain k kaamon aur progamoon mei allah ki hidayat ki taraf ishara hai.

ZULQARNAIN KON THE?

Jis zulqarnain ka quran majeed mei zikr hai tareekhi toor per wo kon sahks hai, tareekh k mashhoor shaksiatoon mei se ye dastan kis per muntabiq hoti hai, is silsile mei mufasireen k mabbain ikhtilaf hai. Is silsile meijo bohat e nazrayat paish kiye gaye hain un mei se teen ziada aham hain.[ Pehla: baaz ka khyal hai k “iskandare maqdoni” hi zulqarnain hai. Lehaza wo use iskandare zulqarnain k naam se pukarte hain. Un ka khayal ye hai k us ne apne baap ki moot k baad Rome, Maghrib aur Misar per tasalut kiya. Us nee iskandirya shaher banaya. Phir sham aur bait ul mauqdas per iqtidar qaim kiya. Wahan se Arminstan gaya. Iraq o Iran ko fatah kiya. Phir Hindustan aur China ka qasd kiya wahan se Khorasan palat aya. Us ne bohat se naye(new) shahiroon(cities) ki bunyad rakhi. Phir wo iraq agaya. Us k baad shahar e “zoor” mei bimar para aur maar gaya. Baaz ne kaha hai k us ki umar chatees saaal se ziada na thi. Us ka jasde khaki iskandirya le ja kar dafan kar diya gaya. Dosra: muarikheen mei se baaz ka nazarya hai k zulqarnain yemen ka aik badshah tha. Asma’i ne apni tareekh “arab qabl az islam” mei ibne hasham ne apni mashhoor tareekh “sirat” mei aur abu rehan beruni ne “Alasar al baqiya” mei yehi nazarya paish kiya hai. Yahan tak k yemen ki aik qoum “Hameri” k poets aur zamane e jahiliat k baaz poets k kalam mei dekha ja sakta hai k unhon ne zulqarnain k apne mei se hone per fakhr kiya hai. Jadeed tareen nazarya ye hai jo Hindustan k mashhoor alim Abulkalam azad ne paish kiya hai. Abul kalam azad kisi door mei Hindustan k wazir e taleem the. Is silsile mei unhon ne aik tahqeeqi kitab likhi hai. Is nazarye k mutabiq zulqarnain “koorsh kabir(cyrus the great)” badshah e hekhanshi hai.] – is silsile mei mazeed agahi k liye rujo kare tafseere namoona jild 7 pg 197.

DIWAR E ZULQARNAIN KAHAN HAI?

Baaz log chahte haink use mashhoor diwar e cheen per muntabiq kare k jo is waqt mujod hai aur kai soo kilometre lambi hai liken waze hai k diwar e cheen lohe aur tanbe se nahi bani hai aur na wo kisi chote kohistani dare(passage) mei hai, wo aam masale se bani hoi diwar hai. Baaz ka israr hai k ye diwar e “Maarib” hai k jo yemen mei hai, ye theek hai k ye diwar aik kohistani dare(mountain passage) mei banai gayi hai liken wo sailab ko rokne k liye aur pani zakhira karne k maqsad se banai gayi haiaur waise b wo lohe aur tanbe se bani hoi nahi hai.

Jab k muhaqeqeen ki gawahi k mutabiq sarzameen e “qafqaaz” mei darya e khizr(Caspian sea) aur darya e siah (black sea) k darmian paharon ka aik silsila hai k jo aik diwar ki tarah shumal aur junoob ko aik doosre se alag kartya hai ismei aik diwar ki tarah ka dara(passage) mujod hai hai jo mashhoor dara e “daryal” hai, yahan ab tak aik qadeem tareekhi loohe ki diwar nazr ati hai isi bina per bohat se logo ka ye nazarya hai k DIWAR E ZULQARNAIN yehi hai.

Ye baat jazb e nazr hai k wahin qareeb hi mei aik “Cyrus” nami aik nahir mojood hai aur aur cyrus k meaning koorsh hi hain( kio k unani{greeks} koorsh ko cyrus kehte hain.) Armni k qadeem asar mei is diwar ko “bhag goorai” k naam se yaad kiya gaya hai, is lafz k meaning “dara e koorsh” ya “ma’abr e koorsh(koorsh k abor karne ki jaga)” hai ye sanad nishandahi karti hai k is diwar ka bani koorsh hi tha.

SOURCE: QASAS UL QURAN AZ AYATOLLAH NASIR MAKARIM SHIRAZI[/size[/size]] Cool

by Fida wal muqawamah Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:28 pm

Sorry brother don't have an urdu software inmy computer so i guess u have to read it in roman urdu or roman english whatever it is called!!!
Also there were many topics regarding Janab e Zulqarnain... like who were yajuj majoj, his pestigious qaulities why was zulqarnain assigned with this name and zulqarnain ne diwar kese banwai but ithought that these two or three headings might answer ur question

by Fida wal muqawamah Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:29 pm

To mr admin,
Hey why isnt the font size increasing???? and hy is this emoticon on my post whereas i didnt enter it???

by Fida wal muqawamah Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:42 pm

The Ayatollah writes further under the headind of who were gog and magog?? that:-
Quran wazeh toor per gawahi deta hai k do wahshi khonkhawar qabilon k naam the, wo log apne irdgird rehne walo per bohat ziatiyan aur zulm karte the. Azim Mufasir Allama Taba Tabbai ne Al-meezan mei likha hai k toorait ki sari baaton se majmoi toor per malom hotra hai k majoj ya yajoj o majuj aik ya kai aik bare bare qabile the, ye shumali assia k door daraz ilaqon mei rehte the, ye jangju aur daku qism k log the.
Tareekh k bohat se dalalil k mutabiq zameen k shumaal mashriq "Magholistan" k atraf mei guzishta zamano mei insano ka goya josh marta howa chasma tha, yahan k logo ki abadi bari tezi se pehlti thi abadi ziada hone per ye log "mazraq" ki simt ya niche junob ki taraf chale jate the aur saail rawa ki tarah inilaqon mei phail jate the aur phir tadreejan wahanm sakonat ikhtiar kar lete the, tareekh k mutabiq sailab ki mannind in qomon k uthne k mukhtalif door guzre hain.(2)
Koorosh k zamanay mei b in ki taraf aik hamla howa ye taqreeban paanch soo saal qabl az maseeh ki baat hai likan is zamanay mei "maad" aur "fars" ki mutahid hakkomat wujud mei achuki thi lehaza halat badal gaye aur maghribi asia in qabail k hamlon se asoda khatir ho gaya. lehaza ye ziada sahh lagta hai k yajuj aur majoj inhi wahshi qabail mei se the jab koorsh inilaqon ki taraf gaye to QAFQAZ k logo ne darkhuast ki k inhain in qabail k hamlon se bachaya jaye lehaza us ne wo mashhoor diwar tameer kli hai jise diwar e zulqarnain kehte hain...
(2) in mei aik hamla in wahshi qabail nme chothi saadi esswain mei"IETLA" ki kaman mei kiya tha, is hamle mei rome ka shahi tamadun khak mei mil gaya. aik aur door k jo in hamlon ka taqreeban akhri door shumar hota hai wo 12th AH mei Ganges khan ki sarparasti mi howa unhon ne musalmanoon aur arab mumalik per hamla kiya, is hamle mei baghdad samait bohat se cities tabah o barbad ho gaye.

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